Has anyone managed to cure chronic vasomotor rhinitis?

A year ago, I was diagnosed with the same thing, and I barely managed to get off Tizin(((( A couple of weeks ago, I was in the hospital with an infection—I caught a bad cold. So, they gave me Suprastin there, and knock on wood, my nose started breathing! I'm really afraid to jinx it))))

My mum, being a doctor, cured my vasomotor rhinitis!!! Sharing my experience! I'm 39 now, and we conquered it when I was 12. It's very simple: go to a PHYSIOTHERAPIST and ask for electrophoresis procedures with CaCl2. I had about 10 sessions, and that was it. Before that, I couldn't live without decongestants. Wishing your nose a clear breath!

Author, first of all, you need to come off the decongestant nasal sprays. Endure it for a while. At the same time, instill any slightly warmed oil into your nose (just make sure it's sterilised). You need to moisturise the mucous membrane. And you can also take an antihistamine during this period.

Firstly, I underwent electrophoresis physiotherapy three times – it didn't improve my condition one bit.
Secondly, I've taken both Suprastin and other antihistamines – they didn't help.
Thirdly, I avoid using nasal drops because as a child, it took me over a year to wean off them. I only use Galazolin in extreme cases, at most once a year!
Fourthly, regarding oils. Don't even think of recommending them to anyone. I was once advised to use warmed fir oil in my nose. I applied it. On the right side, I managed to blow it out. But on the left, it flowed into my ear, and I had to undergo prolonged treatment for otitis. The worst part is that some oil remained in my ear, and even though it's been about 6-7 years now, whenever I start moving, my ear gets blocked, and I can't hear anything with it. As I understand it, this is permanent, all thanks to the advice to put oil in my nose.
I'm not talking about a runny nose here, but about how to develop the nasal blood vessels so they perform their function. My mucous membrane isn't dry; I have constant nasal discharge and blow my nose every 10 minutes. There's pain in the upper part, where the sinuses are – I used to think it was dental, but after losing my upper side teeth, I realised it's the nasal blood vessels. The pain shifts around, just like the blockage moves from left to right depending on which side I lie on, though it persists even when standing.

I suffered from this rhinitis for two years. The decongestant drops would only last a couple of hours. Then one doctor took a throat swab from me, and it turned out I had a staphylococcal plug in my throat. That was why my nose was blocked. He flushed my throat with a syringe for five days. My nose started to breathe, and the plug was washed out. The mixture was like this: adrenaline, some antibiotic, and furacilin. And physical therapy doesn't help at all. So the problem isn't with the nose but with the throat. It's all interconnected. You'll see, treat the throat, and the nose will start to breathe. Perhaps you have chronic pharyngitis or tonsillitis, and that's preventing your nose from breathing.

Let me explain in a bit more detail. I don't have allergic rhinitis, but rather a dysfunction of blood vessel motility (neuro-vegetative, vasomotor rhinitis). When I had dental implants placed in my upper and lower jaws on different days, there was bleeding from the lower ones, but none from the upper ones on either side. The doctor said it was the first time in his practice that there was almost no blood during implantation. It's the blood vessels. Additionally, once during an acupuncture course in China (where they insert the needles much deeper than in Russia), my nose breathed freely for the first time, but... only for three days, then it stopped. The acupuncturist said he couldn't help me further if it stopped again after so many days, explaining that the needles provide a temporary effect and that I should avoid cold drinks and food. Other acupuncturists didn't even bring any improvement. But thanks to those three days and the fact that there was no bleeding from my upper jaw during implantation, I realised the problem lies specifically with the blood vessels. I tried hot nasal baths, contrast baths, and acupressure. By the way, my nose is almost always cold. With heat, it got worse; with contrast, it improved by 15%, but then the improvement stopped again.
Thank you, Dina, I will go to the doctor to check my throat for staphylococcus.

And I had a bad cold a year ago. After that, strange sounds started coming from my nose—cracking, clicking, some sort of knocking. Especially at night. It's really bothersome because it's audible. It's been like this for a year now. I've been checked by an ENT specialist, who prescribed some drops. Said it was nothing serious. But the nose still keeps making sounds. There's no information online. I don't know how to get rid of these sounds. Maybe you could suggest something? :-/

That didn't help me.

Conduct an experiment: use decongestant drops, and if within the first 5-10 minutes the cracking in your nose intensifies, then it's related to the blood vessels. Sometimes, when I manipulate my nose, I feel slight sounds inside it.

Unfortunately, I can't experiment much at the moment due to my pregnancy. I had considered the possibility of it being blood vessels. Could these sounds really be lifelong now? :( They disturb my sleep. I feel self-conscious because they're audible.

I'll share my experience: I only have slight clicks and only when I do something to my nose (like using drops, contrast massage - dipping my face in a basin of very cold water, then very hot water, about 20 times). After that, something clicks in my nose for about 5 minutes, which I believe are the blood vessels. If you're pregnant, don't experiment. I've read that for some, nasal issues resolved after childbirth. For now, the only thing you can do is massage points on your face. (Under no circumstances touch the point between the thumb and index finger, as it's prohibited during pregnancy).

I didn't know it was forbidden. I occasionally massage my hands. What will happen? What problems are there regarding the point? As for my nose, it can make sounds at any moment; sometimes I just think about something or change my perspective, and it clicks. And it's not blocked. At night, especially when I get up from lying down, it starts cracking in both nostrils. This was happening even before pregnancy. I hope it goes away.

The link keeps getting removed, look up the video "Acupressure for a runny nose," where a doctor explains about the point as well.

I had surgery to remove the thickening in my nose (due to years of using nasal drops) and to correct a deviated septum. Of course, it was unpleasant, and the bleeding lasted a long time afterwards. But it helped)

Perhaps there was a severe deviation and polyps due to the drops. I have a very minor deviation; besides correcting it, I underwent all sorts of procedures (laser several times, ultrasound, punctures, cryotherapy, cauterised polyps...), and after each one, I felt worse and worse. From experience, I'm convinced that if you use a decongestant nasal spray and your nose starts breathing well, then surgery isn't necessary—you need to work on the blood vessels. Before catching a cold, my nose breathed freely; it's a shame there's so little time. Generally, if it's been more than 3 years since your surgery, you're lucky. Because for most people, the problem returns at best a couple of years after the operation. I overused drops in childhood, then they helped, and I had to breathe through my mouth for a long, long time. Maybe I damaged my blood vessel function with them as a child. But there's something else too, because when I massage my nose or warm it up, I immediately get a cold, fever, and green discharge from my nose. And this adds a constant bacterial background. This week, I'm going to have a swab taken from my nasopharynx for a culture test.

I'm in the same boat! It's not a nose, it's a steam engine. I'm constantly on nasal drops. I just want to breathe freely without any pressure! Please, fellow sufferers, give me some advice!

I can advise you: 1) You need to forget about the drops altogether, otherwise the condition will progressively worsen. 2) If your nose breathes freely after using drops, surgical treatment is not necessary. 3) Get tested for staphylococcus, and if it's not present, then... 4) Acupuncture has helped some people. 5) Contrast baths for the nose have helped some. 6) Electrophoresis has helped some. 7) Try nasal massage; there are videos online. 8) If your issues are allergy-related, antihistamines like Suprastin have helped some. 9) Avoid getting your extremities cold. 10) Try rinsing with sea salt.

There is also a dependency on hormonal fluctuations in people, which subsides after childbirth; this can be checked if you experience worsening breathing on specific days.

Try Evamenol ointment; it helped my friend overcome her naphthyzine addiction.

Thank you, that might be worth a try for those who are hooked on drops. I haven't used them for a very long time myself. I tried this ointment, but unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I also dripped Kalanchoe juice, but that didn't help either, though it might help someone else.

Has Nasonex drops been recommended already?! And I've also noticed such a pattern—my nose swells when I consume coffee and baked goods, possibly a gluten intolerance.

Thank you, I'll give it a try, although it's for allergic rhinitis, and I have vasomotor rhinitis. Just one question: Did you have green discharge in the mornings and a cold nose before using the drops? (I'm also considering bacteria, and according to the instructions, Nasonex shouldn't be used with them).

Has anyone managed to cure nasal issues (vasomotor, allergic rhinitis) without medication? Any natural herbs, ointments, hardening therapies, exercises...?

I went to the ENT specialist again, and he said that everyone has staphylococcus, and they treat the problem, not the bacteria itself. He prescribed me to take Fexofenadine Hydrochloride and Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride in one medication called Dellegra. It's actually for allergic rhinitis, although I clarified that I have vasomotor rhinitis, but the doctor insisted, so I'm taking the course and will report back later.

On the same website, navigate to the "ALL" link and then to the topic "How to get rid of naphthyzine addiction?". There, you will find many useful tips on this subject.

Clarification: On the same website, navigate to the link "ABOUT EVERYTHING" and then to the topic "How to get rid of naphthyzine addiction?". There is plenty of useful advice on this subject there.

Thank you for the link. After reading, I will certainly try some of the advice, but those people are getting off the drops, whereas I haven't used nasal drops for years! And my nose is still blocked.

For the past two years, I have been suffering from vasomotor rhinitis. I actually thought it was polyps. Recently, I visited an ENT clinic, which is scientifically the most advanced in our city. They suggested celon-coagulation of the inferior turbinates using special imported equipment that not every clinic can afford. Perhaps there is one like that in your city as well? Please clarify.

"Firstly, I underwent physiotherapy with electrophoresis three times – it didn't improve my condition one bit.
Secondly, I've taken both Suprastin and other antihistamines – they didn't help.
Thirdly, I don't use nasal drops because as a child, it took me over a year to wean off them. I only use Galazolin in extreme cases, at most once a year!
Fourthly, regarding oils. Don't even think of recommending them to anyone. I was once advised to put warmed fir oil in my nose. I did so. I managed to blow it out from the right side. But on the left, it flowed into my ear, and I had to treat otitis for a very long time. The worst part is that some oil remained in my ear, and although it's been about 6-7 years now, whenever I start moving, my ear gets blocked, and I can't hear anything with it. As I understand, this is permanent, all thanks to the advice to put oil in my nose.
I'm not talking about a runny nose here, but about how to develop the blood vessels in the nose so they perform their function. My mucous membrane isn't dry; I have a constant runny nose and blow my nose every 10 minutes. There's pain in the upper part, where the sinuses are – I used to think it was toothache, but after losing my upper side teeth, I realised it's the nasal blood vessels. The pain shifts around, just like the blockage from left to right, depending on which side I lie on, although it persists even when standing."

Olga, I completely agree with you that it's all about the blood vessels. I'm in exactly the same situation as you, identical in every way. Twenty days ago, I had surgery to reduce my inferior turbinates. Nothing has changed. I still can't breathe, just as before. The doctor said there's no swelling and that the blood vessels need treatment. But how? I've consulted all the doctors, and on the 4th of September, I'm going for a vascular diagnosis. But what will that achieve? Truth be told, even before the operation, the doctor warned me that the chances of restoring nasal breathing were 50/50. Olga, if you have any new insights to share on this matter, I'd be grateful.

Olga, could you share whether the treatment you mentioned helped you? I have the same issues and symptoms and don't use nasal drops. I went to the clinic, and they recommended four nasal surgeries for me!

The story is almost the same as the author's; I tried everything possible, and the only medication that had an effect was the Diprospan injection, but even that only lasted a couple of days. The only thing that helps is a change in climate, for instance, in Italy, I completely forgot that I ever suffered from nasal issues.

Denis, what is this Diprospan? Explain. Maybe I'll try it, after consulting with a doctor.

No, yet another ENT specialist didn't help... Changing climate didn't either - I've been living in a warm climate for about 10 years now, and my nose hasn't improved. The only thing that once gave me a breakthrough, which I'm sharing, is acupuncture in China. They inserted needles VERY deep into my nose; I had acupuncture done at least five times in Russia - to no avail! But in China, my nose became completely clear by the 7th day of treatment, though I left on the 10th, and everything returned to how it was. The doctor said he couldn't help further, explaining that the needles only provide a temporary effect!.. He advised me to avoid chilling my extremities and not to consume cold food or drinks. But at least I understood that I need to work on my blood vessels! Now I'm searching for how... (massages make it worse).

Moreover, when working with blood vessels, it's essential to involve the entire body! (Check if there are any muscle spasms or constrictions due to skeletal issues). Based on my cold hands and feet, the doctor would determine whether the nose would breathe... Currently, the goal is stretching (there's still pelvic muscle spasm), and I've often heard that after childbirth, many people start breathing through their nose... (which is a disruption in muscles-nerves-vessels) and I will study and try everything available about strengthening the body's blood vessels. If anyone finds something useful, please share.

Olga, I completely agree with your view that this can be treated! And you're absolutely right about the blood vessels. The only surprising thing is that none of the doctors provide answers to these questions, as if it's a secret or they themselves are unaware!?
Have you come across any information online about nasal aerodynamics, regarding the southern and northern types? I didn't understand how one can change the southern type of nasal aerodynamics to the northern type? What they're suggesting isn't entirely clear to me. Have you heard anything about this?

For two years now, I've been suffering from nasal congestion, and doctors haven't been able to help. It all started after I took a supplement meant to strengthen blood vessels. So, Olga, the effect can be VERY ambiguous. There's also this medication called ASD2; they say it might help. I'm going to try it and recommend you do the same.

I read about aerodynamics, but... it says that the mucous membrane in the southern type is dry, yet I always have tissues in my pockets. It mentions it's hereditary, but my nose breathed perfectly well for 7 years, and I live in a warm climate. And what's suggested—surgery? Can surgery really be considered a natural treatment? I trust more the Chinese acupuncturist who worked with the blood vessels throughout the body; even though it was only for three days, my nose breathed. I'll focus on working with the blood vessels. As for ASD2, I won't be in Russia anytime soon to buy it, so I'm waiting for a review.

Hello Olga, ASD 2 is already showing results in the first few days, and the nose starts to breathe a bit better, but the effect isn't significant, and it seems only prolonged use MIGHT lead to healing. I also remembered that about a year ago, I tried the "elixir of youth" (honey, lemon, and garlic), which also gave a slight improvement. The effect was probably small because, as soon as I felt a bit better, I got distracted and rushed back to my usual activities. Now I regret that. Overall, the elixir is good because it strengthens the blood vessels, and the nose really does start to breathe better. I plan to take it in combination with ASD 2 and rinse my nose. Try the elixir and let me know how it goes. I'm trying not to despair, to build up patience, and to keep monitoring the topic. Today, I came across an interesting approach called "cold plasma coblation." It's an interesting topic—have a look. Wishing you good health!

Thank you, Ruslan, for your input, but coblation is still surgery! It's just that I've been through so many doctors and operations in my life... I've spent years trying to treat another serious condition deemed incurable by doctors, and from experience, I can say the best treatment is the least traumatic, natural recovery. It's slow and requires patience, but it's the most correct approach. I consider surgery only as a last resort to save a life. I've had so much done to my nose that I'm surprised it's still in place, and each operation only made things worse and worse. Even though all the doctors were professors and specialists. You, it seems, still trust conventional medicine; I do not—I have too much experience. If there's impaired blood vessel function in the head, they'll suggest cutting something out (coagulating). The answer lies in self-restoration, treating the body as a whole! And here on this forum, I'm seeking advice on how to independently restore blood vessel function so that my nose can breathe again. Because if the blood vessels are malfunctioning throughout the entire body, it's pointless to cut something out for the twentieth time in the nose.

Ruslan, I've figured out why your nose stopped breathing after the supplement. The thing is, on another forum, I treat pelvic muscle spasms under the username Liachan, and time and again, I've concluded that vascular issues are a consequence. What's the cause? In my case, it's spasmed pelvic muscles compressing the blood vessels. I suspect that after the supplement, your blood vessels were affected because there was a pinch somewhere, meaning muscles are constricting vascular blood flow somewhere. I suggest conducting an experiment: do some stretching, check your muscular system for any tight spots. If it's the pelvis (as in my case), then sit less, walk more briskly, stretch and relax!!! your pelvic muscles (there are exercises available online). And most importantly, until you relieve the pinch, don't engage in vascular hardening practices, as it will worsen the condition.

Hello, Ruslan,

I'm writing here so that those with impaired nasal blood vessel function can give it some thought. The point is this: any surgical intervention in the nose should only be considered as a last resort in cases of injury when drops provide no relief. However, if you use vasoconstrictor nasal drops and your nose starts to breathe, even if only for a few minutes, it indicates that the issue lies with the blood vessels. In such cases, surgery is not only unnecessary but could also be harmful, despite issues like a deviated septum, etc. The blood vessels need treatment. But! – blood vessels are part of the entire body; merely rinsing and hardening the nose won't help or will only offer temporary relief. The blood vessels of the WHOLE body must be treated.

What I encountered was that after reading books about blood vessels, and even before that, I started hardening practices (alternating hot-cold-hot), similarly with sauna-cold pouring-sauna, and my condition sharply worsened. Why is that, since strengthening blood vessels has always been done this way? About three years ago, I bought a rubber acupressure mat near my bed to rub my feet and palms on. No matter what I tried to strengthen my vascular tone, I kept getting worse and worse; I developed high blood pressure, which I didn't have before the hardening, and blood vessels in my eyes burst after walking on the mat. I couldn't understand how to treat them then. The books suggest (physical exercise, herbs, hardening, breathing exercises, acupressure...), but everything I tried made me feel worse.

At the same time, I'm treating pelvic floor muscle spasms, and in my search, I accidentally came across a phrase from Sithel's book "Gymnastics for Blood Vessels" (which I do not! recommend until you relax your muscles):

"Arteries, veins, and capillaries form an entire system of rivers, streams, and brooks that infuse life into every cell of the human body. To block the course of any of these streams is to jeopardise the existence of the entire system.

A far more significant obstruction to the free flow of blood is spasmed muscles in various parts of the body. For most of us, muscles are chronically tense. Vessels trapped in the grip of these contracted muscles cannot function properly. Under such unhealthy conditions, they are forced to operate in a state of hypertonia, losing their flexibility and elasticity, which leads to the development of vascular diseases. To restore blood supply and stabilise vascular tone, it is essential first to relieve tension in a specific muscle or group of muscles."

And I thought—Stop, when I used to do hardening exercises for my nose (a long time ago), it only started to breathe better, but then my period came and my nose immediately stopped breathing. I connected the two and have often heard that many pregnant women experience nasal congestion, which resolves after childbirth, even in those who had breathing difficulties before pregnancy. I used to think it was related to hormones, but now, with all my experience, I understand that it's simply due to muscles compressing the vessels. And until you relax or release that compression, the vessels won't recover. The compression can vary for each person—one might have it in the shoulder girdle, another in the lumbar region... And we go through life for years without realising that our muscles are spasmed somewhere until it becomes critical. Your task is to identify where your compression and muscle tension are through the method of slow stretching. I believe your vascular system was operating in hypertonia due to muscle compression somewhere, and the supplement increased blood flow, causing the vascular system to falter because of the compression.

My advice:

1. Do not start vascular hardening exercises until you have released the compression!!!
(Imagine a balloon filled with gas; you heat it up, cool it down, increase particle movement (blood flow) with herbs, physical activity, hardening... – yes, vascular tone will improve, and dormant vessels will start working. Now, imagine that balloon being squeezed in the middle while increasing blood flow – it will burst from the pressure, and the vessels won't withstand it.) There are many books on vascular hardening, but follow them only after muscle relaxation.

2. Identify where the compression is, eliminate lifestyle factors that caused it, and work on muscle relaxation!!! Not through exertion (like gym workouts), but specifically through RELAXATION and STRETCHING of that muscle group. Some people use yoga for muscle stretching.
You can check here: http://www.osteodoc.ru/met.htm, some have found help here: http://spinet.ru/conference/topic12158.html, or search online yourself.
I’ll say right away: muscle relaxation will take at least two years of daily exercises, maybe more, but at least you’ll improve your body’s function and prevent future cardiovascular issues (strokes, heart attacks, blood pressure problems, prostatitis – not just chemical causes but also physical ones, like disrupted blood flow in the pelvis due to muscle tension...). I’ve personally experienced that cystitis and prostatitis can result from muscle tension that needs to be addressed. (I get cystitis after cycling.)

3. Pay attention to healthy eating! (Books on vascular health highlight key factors: hardening, relaxation, proper nutrition.) Alcohol and nicotine are enemies of the vascular system.

4. Get your spine checked for protrusions, curvature, and nerve compressions.

If it hurts, it's up to you to decide whether to stop or not, but during exercises, it hurts a lot for everyone.
I am currently at the exercise stage myself, doing full-body stretching, although I believe the pelvic muscle spasms are due to prolonged sitting (school for 11 years, university for 6, in front of the computer, on transport, etc.). It's not natural for the body to sit so much. If you have pelvic muscle issues, I recommend:
long, brisk walking (not running) for at least an hour a day (brisk because slow walking doesn't engage the pelvic muscles as much), sitting less, avoiding cycling, and not wearing tight clothing around the tense muscles (if it's the pelvis, avoid tightly cinched belts).
That's pretty much it. I can't provide more detailed information yet because I'm still stretching myself, and recovery takes years! I've noticed that after exercises, my pelvis feels better, and my nose breathes slightly easier for about half an hour after stretching. I've also observed that during travels, when I walk a lot (at least 8 hours a day), the pain in the lower body goes away within a week, and my nose breathes twice as well—I even forget about tissues!

I don't know why it duplicated above, I'll add:
Neither I nor anyone on the forum has had any examination show muscular entrapment. Not MRI, not laparoscopy, not manual therapists, none of the doctors found anything, even when I was crawling in pain. That is, you rely solely on your own sensations of where your muscle might be tense. All exercises are done slowly, with constant self-monitoring of feelings; you might keep an observation diary. Learn to listen to your body. I'll also say: my nose hasn't been breathing properly for decades, but the muscular pain only manifested ten years ago; until then, I had no idea my muscles were tense—there was no pain. It took a trigger that led to muscle spasms, and then, over the years, I unraveled the whole tangle to realize that the muscles were compressing blood vessels and that, it turns out, the nose is connected to this because the vascular system is unified.

You can check for yourself: note how your nose breathes on days with intense full-body physical activity. For example, I walked briskly for about 30 hours over three days and found that my nose was breathing half as well again. Of course, in my case, it's the pelvic muscles, but if yours are in the neck, then walking isn't a test. Anyway, I've given you an idea—think about it.

I recommend Evamenol to you instead of drops; it eases breathing and clears congestion just as well, and doesn't cause any dependency at all. I've been using it myself for many years.

Then menthol sweets would suit you too. We're talking about more serious matters here. Though, if you wanted to, you'd think about what function menthol performs on blood vessels, and that you have blood vessels too, since Evamenol provides relief. The only thing I want to warn you about! - the brain dilates blood vessels for self-preservation because blood flow is impaired. And you've been removing this protection for "many years", transferring the vascular problem from your nose to your head!!!

The same applies to those who use decongestant drops.