Has anyone cured chronic vasomotor rhinitis?

A year ago, I was diagnosed with the same thing, and I barely managed to get off Tizin(((( A couple of weeks ago, I was in the hospital with an infection—I caught a bad cold. So there, they gave me Suprastin, and knock on wood, my nose started breathing! I'm really afraid to jinx it))))

My mom, a doctor, cured my vasomotor rhinitis!!! Sharing my experience! I'm 39 now, and we beat it when I was 12. It's very simple: go to a PHYSIOTHERAPIST and ask for electrophoresis procedures with CaCl2. I had about 10 sessions, and that was it. Before that, I couldn't live without decongestants. Wishing your nose to breathe freely.

Author, first of all, you need to stop using the vasoconstrictor drops. Endure the discomfort for a while. At the same time, instill any slightly warmed oil into your nose (just make sure it's sterilized). You need to moisturize the mucous membrane. And you can also take an antihistamine during this period.

First, I underwent electrophoresis physiotherapy three times – it didn't improve my condition even slightly.
Second, I've taken both Suprastin and other antihistamines – they didn't help.
Third, I avoid using nasal drops because as a child, it took me over a year to wean off them. I only use Galazolin in extreme cases, at most once a year!
Fourth, regarding oils. Don't even think about recommending them to anyone. I was once advised to use warmed fir oil in my nose. I applied it. I managed to blow it out from the right side, but on the left, it flowed into my ear, and I had to treat otitis for a very long time. The worst part is that some oil remained in my ear, and even though it's been about 6-7 years now, whenever I start moving, my ear gets blocked, and I can't hear anything with it. As I understand, this is permanent, all thanks to the advice to put oil in my nose.
I'm not talking about a runny nose here, but about how to develop the blood vessels in the nose so they function properly. My mucous membrane isn't dry; I have constant nasal discharge and blow my nose every 10 minutes. There's pain in the upper part where the sinuses are – I used to think it was dental, but after losing my upper side teeth, I realized it's the nasal blood vessels. The pain shifts around, just like the congestion moves from left to right depending on which side I lie on, though it persists even when I'm standing.

I suffered from this rhinitis for 2 years. Vasoconstrictor drops would only last a couple of hours. Then one doctor took a throat swab from me, and it turned out I had a staphylococcal plug in my throat. That's why my nose was blocked. He rinsed my throat with a syringe for 5 days. My nose started breathing, and the plug was washed out. The mixture was like this: adrenaline, some antibiotic, and furacilin. And physical therapy doesn't help at all. So the problem isn't with the nose but with the throat. It's all interconnected. You'll see, treat the throat, and the nose will start breathing. Maybe you have chronic pharyngitis or tonsillitis, and that's preventing your nose from breathing.

Let me explain in a bit more detail. I don't have allergic rhinitis, but rather a disorder of the vascular motor function (neuro-vegetative, vasomotor rhinitis). When I had dental implants placed in my upper and lower jaws on different days, there was bleeding from the lower ones, but none from the upper ones on either side. The doctor said it was the first time in his practice that there was almost no blood during an implant procedure. It's the blood vessels. Additionally, once during an acupuncture course in China (where they insert the needles much deeper than in Russia), my nose started breathing for the first time, but... only for three days, then it stopped. The acupuncturist said he couldn't help me further if it stopped again after so many days, that the needles only provide a temporary effect, and that I should avoid cold drinks and food. Other acupuncturists didn't even improve my condition. But thanks to those three days and the fact that there was no bleeding from my upper jaw during the implant procedure, I realized the problem is specifically with the blood vessels. I tried hot nasal baths, contrast baths, and acupressure. By the way, my nose is almost always cold. With hot treatments, it got worse; with contrast treatments, it improved by 15%, but then the improvement stopped again.
Thank you, Dina, I will go to the doctor to check my throat for staphylococcus.

A year ago, I had a bad runny nose. After that, strange sounds started coming from my nose—cracking, clicking, some kind of knocking. Especially at night. It's really bothersome because it's audible. It's been like this for a year now. I got checked by an ENT specialist, who prescribed some drops. Said it was nothing serious. But the nose still keeps making sounds. There's no information online. I don't know how to get rid of these sounds. Maybe you can suggest something? :-/

This didn't help me.

Conduct an experiment: use decongestant drops, and if the cracking in your nose increases within the first 5-10 minutes, then it's related to blood vessels. Sometimes when I manipulate my nose, I feel slight sounds inside it.

Unfortunately, I can't experiment much right now due to my pregnancy. I had considered the possibility of it being blood vessels. Could these sounds really be lifelong now? :( They interfere with my sleep. I feel self-conscious because they're audible.

I'll share my experience: I only have slight clicks and only when I do something to my nose (like using drops, contrast massage - dipping my face in a basin of very cold water, then very hot water, about 20 times). After that, something clicks in my nose for about 5 minutes, which I believe are blood vessels. If you're pregnant, don't experiment. I've read that for some people, nasal issues resolved after childbirth. For now, the only thing you can do is massage facial pressure points. (Under no circumstances touch the point between your thumb and index finger - it's prohibited during pregnancy).

I didn't know it was forbidden. I occasionally massage my hands. What will happen? What problems are there in terms of the point? Regarding my nose, it can make sounds at any moment, sometimes I just think about something or change my perspective, and it clicks. And my nose isn't clogged. At night, especially when I get up from a lying position, it starts cracking in both nostrils. This was happening even before pregnancy. I hope it goes away.

They keep removing the link, look up the video "Acupressure for a runny nose," where a doctor explains about the point as well.

I had surgery to remove the thickening in my nose (from years of using nasal drops) and to correct a deviated septum. Of course, it was unpleasant, and there was bleeding for a long time afterward. But it helped!

It might have been a severe deviation and polyps due to the drops. I have a very minor deviation; besides correcting it, I've had all sorts of procedures (laser several times, ultrasound, punctures, cryotherapy, cauterized polyps...), and after each one, I felt worse and worse. From experience, I'm convinced that if you use a decongestant nasal spray and your nose starts breathing well, then surgery isn't necessary—you need to work on the blood vessels. Before catching a cold, my nose breathed freely; it's a shame there's so little time. And in general, if it's been more than 3 years since your surgery, you're lucky. Because for most people, the problem returns after a couple of years at best. I overused drops as a child, then they helped, and I had to breathe through my mouth for a long, long time. Maybe I damaged my blood vessel function with them as a child. But there's something else, because when I massage my nose or warm it up, I immediately get a cold, fever, and green discharge from my nose. And this adds a constant bacterial background. This week, I'm going to have a swab taken from my nasopharynx for a culture.

I'm in the same boat! It's not a nose, it's a steam engine. I'm constantly on nasal drops. I just want to breathe freely! Please, fellow sufferers, give me some advice!

I can advise you: 1) You need to completely forget about the drops, otherwise the condition will progressively worsen. 2) If your nose breathes freely after using drops, surgical treatment is not necessary. 3) Get tested for staphylococcus, and if it's not present, then... 4) Acupuncture has helped some people. 5) Contrast baths for the nose have helped some. 6) Electrophoresis has helped some. 7) Try nasal massage; there are videos online. 8) If your issues are allergy-related, antihistamines like Suprastin have helped some. 9) Avoid cooling your extremities. 10) Try rinsing with sea salt.

There's also a dependency on hormonal fluctuations in people, which subsides after childbirth; this can be checked if you notice your breathing worsens on specific days.

Try Evamenol ointment; it helped my friend get rid of her naphthyzine addiction.

Thank you, this might be worth trying for those who rely on drops. I haven't used them for a very long time, tried this ointment, but unfortunately it didn't work for me. I also tried dripping Kalanchoe juice, but it didn't help either, though it might help someone else.

Has anyone already recommended Nasonex drops?! And I've also noticed this pattern—my nose swells when I drink coffee and eat baked goods, possibly a gluten intolerance.

Thank you, I'll try it, although it's for allergic rhinitis, and I have vasomotor rhinitis. Just one question: Did you have green discharge in the mornings and a cold nose before using the drops? (I'm also considering bacteria, and according to the instructions, Nasonex shouldn't be used with them).

Has anyone cured nose problems (vasomotor, allergic rhinitis) without medication? Any natural herbs, ointments, hardening, exercises...?

I went to the ENT again, and he said that everyone has staphylococcus, and they treat the problem, not the bacteria itself. He prescribed me to take Fexofenadine hydrochloride and Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride in one medication called Dellegra. It's actually for allergic rhinitis, although I clarified that I have vasomotor rhinitis, but the doctor insisted, so I'm taking the course and will report back later.

On the same website, go to the link "ALL" and then to the topic "How to get rid of naphthyzine addiction?". There are many useful tips on this subject there.

Clarification: On the same website, navigate to the "ABOUT EVERYTHING" link and then to the topic "How to get rid of naphthyzine addiction?". There are many useful tips on this subject there.

Thank you for the link. After reading, I will certainly try some of the advice, but the people there are getting off the drops, while I haven't used nasal drops for years! And my nose is still blocked.

I've been suffering from vasomotor rhinitis for 2 years now. I actually thought it was polyps. Recently, I visited an ENT clinic that is scientifically the most advanced in our city. They offered me cellon-coagulation of the inferior turbinates using special imported equipment that not every clinic can afford. Perhaps there is one like that in your city? Please clarify.

Olga, I completely agree with you that it's all about the blood vessels. I'm in exactly the same situation as you, identical. Twenty days ago, I had surgery to reduce my inferior turbinates. Nothing has changed. I still can't breathe through my nose, just like before. The doctor said there's no swelling and that I need to treat the blood vessels. But how? I've consulted all the doctors, and on September 4th, I'm going for a vascular diagnostic test. But what will that accomplish? To be honest, even before the surgery, the doctor warned me that the chances of restoring nasal breathing were 50/50. Olga, if you have any new insights to share on this matter, I'd be grateful.

Olga, could you share if the treatment you mentioned helped you? I have the same issues and symptoms and don't use nasal drops. I went to the clinic, and they recommended four nose surgeries for me!

The story is almost the same as the author's; I tried everything possible, and the only medication that had an effect was the Diprospan injection, but even that only lasted a couple of days. The only thing that helps is a change in climate, for example, in Italy, I completely forgot that I ever suffered from nasal issues.

Denis, what is this Diprospan? Explain. Maybe I'll try it, after consulting with a doctor.

No, another ENT specialist didn't help... Changing climate didn't either - I've been living in a warm climate for about 10 years now, and my nose hasn't improved. The only thing that once gave me a breakthrough, which I'm sharing, is acupuncture in China. They inserted needles VERY deep into my nose. I had acupuncture done at least 5 times in Russia - no effect at all! But in China, my nose became completely clear by the 7th day of acupuncture, though I left on the 10th day, and everything returned to how it was. The doctor said he couldn't help further, that the needles only provide a temporary effect!.. He told me I need to avoid chilling my extremities and not consume cold food or drinks. But at least I understood that I need to work on my blood vessels! Now I'm searching for how... (massages make it worse).

Moreover, when working with blood vessels, it's essential to involve the entire body! (Check if there are any muscle spasms or constrictions due to skeletal issues). Based on my cold hands and feet, the doctor would determine if my nose would breathe... Currently, the goal is stretching (there are still pelvic muscle spasms), and I've often heard that after childbirth, many people start breathing through their nose... (which is a disruption in the muscle-nerve-vessel connection). I will study and try everything available about strengthening the body's blood vessels. If anyone finds something useful, please share.

Olga, I completely agree with your view that this can be cured! And you're absolutely right about the blood vessels. What's surprising is that none of the doctors provide answers to these questions, as if it's a secret or they themselves are unaware!?

Have you come across any information online about nasal aerodynamics, regarding the southern and northern types? I didn't understand how one can change the southern type of nasal aerodynamics to the northern type? What they're suggesting isn't entirely clear to me. Have you heard anything about this?

I've been suffering from nasal congestion for 2 years now, and doctors haven't helped. It all started after I took a supplement meant to strengthen blood vessels. So Olga, the effect can be VERY ambiguous. There's also this medication called ASD2, they say it might help. I'm going to try it and I advise you to do the same.

I read about aerodynamics, but... it says that the mucous membrane in the southern type is dry, yet I always have tissues in my pockets. It says it's hereditary, but my nose breathed well for 7 years, and I live in a warm climate. And what's suggested—surgery? Can surgery really be a natural treatment? I trust more the Chinese acupuncturist who worked with the blood vessels throughout the body, and even though it was only for 3 days, my nose breathed. I'll work with the blood vessels. As for ASD2, I won't be in Russia anytime soon to buy it, so I'm waiting for a review.

Hello Olga, ASD 2 already shows results in the first days, and the nose starts to breathe a bit better, but the effect is not significant, and it seems that only long-term use MIGHT lead to healing. I also remembered that about a year ago, I tried the "elixir of youth" (honey, lemon, and garlic), which also gave a slight improvement. The effect was probably small because, as soon as I felt a little better, I got distracted and rushed back to my daily tasks. Now I regret that. Overall, the elixir is good because it strengthens blood vessels, and the nose really does start to breathe better. I plan to take it in combination with ASD 2 and rinse my nose. Try the elixir and let me know how it goes. I'm trying not to despair, to build up patience, and to constantly monitor the topic. Today, I came across an interesting approach called "cold plasma coblation." It's an interesting topic—check it out. Wishing you good health!

Thank you, Ruslan, for your input, but coblation is still surgery! It's just that I've been through so many doctors and surgeries in my life... I've spent years trying to cure another serious condition that doctors consider incurable, so from experience, I can say the best treatment is the least traumatic, natural recovery. It's slow and requires patience, but it's the most correct approach. I view surgery only as a last resort to save a life. I've had so much done on my nose that I'm surprised it's still in place, and each operation only made things worse and worse. Even though all the doctors were professors and specialists. You, apparently, still trust conventional medicine, but I don't—I have too much experience. If there's impaired blood vessel function in the head, they'll suggest cutting something out (coagulating). The answer lies in self-restoration, treating the body as a whole! And here on this forum, I'm looking for advice on how to independently restore blood vessel function so my nose can breathe. Because if the blood vessels are malfunctioning throughout the entire body, it's pointless to cut something out for the twentieth time in the nose.

Ruslan, I've figured out why your nose stopped breathing after the supplement. The thing is, on another forum, I'm treating a condition of spasming pelvic muscles under the username Liachan, and time and again, I've concluded that vascular issues are a consequence. What's the cause? In my case, it's spasming pelvic muscles compressing the blood vessels. I suspect that after the supplement, your blood vessels were affected because there was a pinch somewhere, meaning muscles are compressing the vascular blood flow somewhere. I suggest conducting an experiment: do some stretching, check your muscular system for any tight spots. If it's the pelvis (as in my case), then sit less, walk more briskly, stretch and relax!!! your pelvic muscles (there are exercises online). And most importantly, until you remove the pinch, don't do any vascular hardening exercises, as they will worsen the condition.

Hello, Ruslan,

I'm writing here so that those with impaired nasal blood vessel function can ponder this. The point is: any surgical intervention in the nose should only be considered as a last resort in cases of injury or when drops provide no relief. But if you use vasoconstrictor nasal drops and your nose starts to breathe, even if just for a few minutes, it means the issue lies with the blood vessels. In such cases, surgery is not only unnecessary but could also be harmful, despite issues like a deviated septum, etc. The blood vessels need treatment. However! – blood vessels are part of the entire body; merely rinsing and hardening the nose won't help or will only offer temporary relief. You must treat the blood vessels of the WHOLE body.

What I encountered was, after reading books about blood vessels and even before that, I started hardening practices (alternating hot-cold-hot), similarly with sauna-cold pours-sauna, and my condition sharply worsened. Why, if this has always been the way to strengthen blood vessels? About three years ago, I bought a rubber acupressure mat near my bed to rub my feet and palms on. And no matter what I did to strengthen my vascular tone, I kept getting worse and worse; I developed high blood pressure, which I didn't have before the hardening, and blood vessels in my eyes burst after walking on the mat. I couldn't understand how to treat them then? The books suggest (physical exercise, herbs, hardening, breathing exercises, acupressure...), but everything I tried made me worse.

At the same time, I'm treating pelvic floor muscle spasms, and in my search, I accidentally came across a phrase from Sithel's book "Gymnastics for Blood Vessels" (I do not recommend it until you relax your muscles):

"Arteries, veins, and capillaries form an entire system of rivers, streams, and creeks that infuse life into every cell of the human body. Blocking the channel of any of these streams means jeopardizing the existence of the entire system.

A far more significant obstacle to the free flow of blood is spasming muscles in various parts of the body. For most of us, muscles are chronically tense. Vessels trapped in the grip of these tensed muscles cannot function properly. Under such unhealthy conditions, they are forced to operate in a state of hypertonia, losing their flexibility and elasticity, which leads to the development of vascular diseases. To restore blood supply and stabilize vascular tone, it is essential first to relieve tension in a specific muscle or group of muscles."

And I thought—Stop, when I used to do hardening exercises for my nose (a long time ago), it only started breathing better, but then my period came and my nose immediately stopped breathing. I connected this and have often heard that many pregnant women have trouble breathing through their noses, which resolves after childbirth, even for those who had breathing issues before pregnancy. I thought it was related to hormones, but now, with all my experience, I realize it's simply due to muscles compressing the vessels. And until you relax or release this compression, the vessels won't recover. The compression can vary for each person—one might have it in the shoulder girdle, another in the lumbar region... And we live for years without suspecting that our muscles are spasming somewhere until it becomes critical. Your task is to identify where you have compression and muscle tension yourself, using the method of slow stretching. I think your vascular system was working in hypertonia due to muscle compression somewhere, and the supplement enhanced blood flow, causing the vascular system to falter because of the compression.

Recommendations:
1. Do not perform vascular hardening until you release the compression!!!
(Imagine a balloon filled with gas—you heat it, cool it, enhance particle movement (blood flow) with herbs, physical activity, hardening... Yes, vascular tone will improve, and dormant vessels will activate. Now imagine squeezing that balloon in the middle and increasing blood flow—it will burst from pressure, and the vessels won't withstand it.) There are many books on vascular hardening, but follow them only after achieving muscle relaxation.
2. Identify where your compression is, eliminate lifestyle factors that caused it, and work on muscle relaxation!!! Not through exertion (like gym workouts), but specifically through RELAXATION and STRETCHING of those muscle groups. Some people use yoga for muscle stretching.
You can check here: http://www.osteodoc.ru/met.htm, some have found help here: http://spinet.ru/conference/topic12158.html, or search online yourself.
I'll say right away: muscle relaxation will take at least two years of daily exercises, maybe more, but at least you'll improve your body's function and prevent future cardiovascular issues (strokes, heart attacks, blood pressure problems, prostatitis—not just chemical but physical too, like impaired pelvic blood flow due to muscle tension...). I've personally experienced that cystitis and prostatitis can stem from muscle tension that needs to be addressed. (I get cystitis after cycling.)
3. Pay attention to healthy eating! (Books on vascular health highlight key factors: hardening, relaxation, proper nutrition.) Alcohol and nicotine are enemies of the vascular system.
4. Check your spine for protrusions, curvature, and pinched nerves.

If it hurts, it's up to you to decide whether to stop or not, but during exercises, everyone experiences significant pain.
I'm currently at the exercise stage myself, doing full-body stretching, although I believe the pelvic muscle spasms are from prolonged sitting (school—11 years, university—6, in front of the computer, on transport...). You shouldn't sit that much; it's unnatural for the body. If you have pelvic muscle issues, I recommend:
Long, brisk walking (not running) for at least an hour a day (brisk because slow walking doesn't engage the pelvic muscles as much), sitting less, avoiding cycling, and not wearing tight clothing around the tense muscles (if it's the pelvis—avoid tightly cinched belts).
That's pretty much it. I can't provide more complete information yet because I'm still stretching myself, and recovery takes years! I've noticed that after exercises, my pelvis feels better, and my nose breathes slightly easier for about half an hour after stretching. I've also observed that during travels, when I walk a lot (at least 8 hours a day), the lower pain disappears within a week, and my nose breathes half as well—I even forget about tissues!

I don't know why it duplicated above, I'll add:
Neither I nor anyone on the forum has ever had any examination show muscle entrapment. Not MRI, not laparoscopy, not manual therapists, none of the doctors found anything, even when I was crawling from pain. So you rely only on your own sensations of where your muscle might be tense. All exercises are done slowly, with constant self-monitoring of sensations; you might keep an observation diary. Learn to listen to your body. I'll also say: my nose hasn't been breathing properly for decades, but muscle pain only manifested ten years ago; until then, I had no idea my muscles were tense—there was no pain. It took a trigger that led to muscle spasms, and then, over the years, I unraveled the whole tangle to realize that the muscles were compressing blood vessels and that my nose was connected to this, because the vascular system is unified.

You can test it yourself: note how your nose breathes on days of intense full-body physical activity. For example, I walked briskly for about 30 hours over three days and found that my nose was breathing half as well again. Of course, in my case, it's the pelvic muscles, but if yours are in the neck, then walking isn't the test. Anyway, I've given you an idea—think about it.

I recommend Evamenol to you instead of drops; it eases breathing and relieves congestion just as well, and it doesn't cause any dependency at all. I've been using it myself for many years.

Then menthol candies would suit you too. We're talking about something more serious here. Though, if you wanted to, you'd think about what function menthol performs on blood vessels, and that you have blood vessels too, since Evamenol provides relief. The only thing I want to warn you about! - the brain dilates blood vessels for self-preservation because blood flow is impaired. And you've been removing this protection for "many years," transferring the vascular problem from your nose to your head!!!

The same applies to those who use vasoconstrictor drops.