Perimenopause, menopause 2023

That's true, only those who are asymptomatic aren't seen here in our topic. They're unlikely to drop by, they don't need to. And for those who've already experienced a mass of symptoms back in perimenopause, expecting everything to suddenly become asymptomatic in menopause is unlikely. The adaptation breakdown has already happened, you can't rewind it. Just carry on living and help yourself, that's all that's left

It doesn't do anything for me either. I've read it helped others with insomnia, but glycine is completely useless for me, whether I take it or not. Seems like it's for very mild insomnia or you need to take 10 tablets at once 😂

I'm constantly taking something. Omega and D3 practically all the time, vitamins (Doppelherz Menopause, Lady's Formula Menopause, Duovit, Magne B6), I've taken Lignarius, I get Rumalon injections for my joints, and for my heart, I have IV drips. Sometimes it gets better, I think 'that's it, now it'll be better'. But after some time it hits me again. And all this has been going on for seven years already. The first two years were especially bad, I almost went mad. I cried day and night. Then endless pains started. And now one set of symptoms just replaces another.

You still have your cycle, which means hormones are fluctuating, hence the back-and-forth swings.

I'm also constantly taking something - both Doppelherz and Lady's, and Mense, and Klimafit, I took hormones for 3 months, now again AD for the second week. It's not getting better. Today I was swimming in the pool, and even then I was shaking. And two women nearly 60 were swimming with me, cheerful, nothing bothers them. It's our autonomic nervous system doing this to us. But how to tame it? My body hasn't been able to adjust for 3 years. I didn't have periods for half a year, they came back. And immediately it got even worse.

And how old are you?

Girls, does anyone else experience such weakness that you don't even have the energy to wash your hair or take a shower? You sit there sweaty and dirty, but just getting to the bathroom feels like you'll collapse, it's that bad. And if you do manage to wash, you feel worse afterward, just lying there completely drained. I won't even mention the time when I couldn't dye my hair—the smell of the dye made me nauseous to the point of vomiting, and sitting with dye in my hair while shaking afterward was unbearable.

I get that too - taking a shower or bath is literally a heroic feat, though when I was on HRT I wanted all that, I don't want to put on makeup and dress up, I don't even answer the phone and don't want to call anyone, going outside is a nightmare, basically life with this menopause has changed for the worse

And as for cleaning the house, I really have to psych myself up for it, even though I really love cleanliness. After cleaning, my back hurts, my head hurts, everything becomes a burden.

I had that for the first 3-4 years. The weakness would hit me really hard, sometimes I literally couldn't walk, and it felt like if I fell down I'd never get back up. Then the weakness and depression went away, but neuralgia and neuroses started, my joints and digestive system went haywire. But that wasn't all. I started getting all sorts of skin issues, itching, thinning mucous membranes everywhere, my hair started falling out and my teeth crumbling, my skin became unbearably dry. For a while I also had allergies. Exactly a year, then it went away on its own. Out of nowhere, my lips, eyes, nose, or ears would suddenly swell up.

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I had that too for the first two years, and even now when I'm feeling poorly, I can't be bothered with my hair and don't have the energy to put on makeup. Household chores, everything's a struggle. And sometimes you're lying there, can't get up, everything's swimming.

I've also asked about this weakness. This state really interferes with living, moving - even with the slightest exertion you almost faint. Because of this, weight increases. On top of feeling like your mental state isn't normal, you also have no energy, as if I've been completely wrung out.

That's how it is for some people, including me - such symptoms in perimenopause and for several years already.

Same here, with the muscles it's a bloody nightmare what's going on

То есть у вас не было мц полгода, и снова пришли? В 55 лет? Может, вы фитоэстрогены принимали, а они баламутят организм в пременопаузе

During my perimenopause I had neurosis, depersonalisation, derealisation, swaying, rocking, dizziness - basically all the mental manifestations described here, but I didn't have any joint or muscle pains. That's because I still had my own hormones. Estradiol is a good painkiller. But then in menopause, my mental state improved as hormones dropped to zero, but the physical symptoms kicked in - pains, spasms, etc. I can't even say which is easier: the mental state in perimenopause or the physical state in menopause. Both rob you of your ability to work and desire to live. And if a woman has both during perimenopause, then menopause is unlikely to be easy either

Same here - I hadn't had periods for a year, thought that was it, then my blood pressure shot up, felt awful, dizzy. After a couple of days I started spotting or had very light periods. And such anxiety - absolutely awful. And still I didn't think it was from menopause. Like everyone else I went to doctors, but I kept shaking and shaking. Thought it was the end for me, thought it might be Parkinson's or something else, even thought it was COVID. Then I started bleeding heavily, had a D&C and the surgeons recommended an operation. Multiple fibroids, had the operation in summer. Got through it okay. And my conclusion is this: I'm slowly getting better. Either from the removal, or my body's getting used to it, or my hormones are settling. I wrote before that I use Oestrogel but just a tiny bit. Sometimes I still get hit by symptoms but it's nothing like before. I'm just scared, the fear remains, when I remember, I can't forget how I felt. Thought I was going mad. Wouldn't wish that state on anyone. Can someone tell me - what are these depersonalisation and derealisation things? Who knows what's better. For me, I'd rather have my head and mental state be normal. I can put up with the rest.

I had derealisation - as if my head was separated from my body, feeling like you're not in reality but somewhere else, in another dimension, it was a terrible state. Then it passed. I also had something similar when they discovered a uterine polyp. I walked around like a zombie, shaking, they sent me to a psychiatrist, but I felt worse from them. Then they removed the uterine polyp, and I came back to life. My head returned to normal, my mental state became okay. I was surprised myself. So the head problem was in the female issues. And the psychiatrist wasn't needed. The headaches went away. But after 3 months it started again, until they prescribed hormones. And I became human again.

And what are you taking?

My story is a long one, I was taking Klaira, I was 49 at the time. Klaira helped for exactly 6 months, but then the symptoms came back again, as my sex hormone levels had changed and I needed to switch to menopausal hormones. I was switched to Femoston 1/10, it didn't help much, but Femoston 1/5 helped brilliantly, but again only for exactly 6 months. And now for 3 years I've had a messed-up head again. Nothing works. I'm on AD now, but I'm not feeling better. I feel like if HRT is chosen correctly, then my head will be fine too.

And overall, I've come to the conclusion that if menopause is pathological, it means the woman had gynaecological issues even before menopause, such as fibroids or endometriosis. That is, there was a hormonal imbalance. There was a shortage of certain hormones, most likely progesterone, and that's when the chaos of menopause began. If it were just a lack of oestrogens, phyto-preparations would help. But in pathological menopause, there's also a shortage of progesterone. Hence all these psychological symptoms and the like. This is my personal opinion, which I've formed over all these years of difficult menopause. I ask many acquaintances whose menstrual cycle was always regular, and they all went through menopause normally. In my case, there were irregularities with my periods even before menopause, so now everything has worsened. For those who have had their uterus removed, only oestrogen is prescribed.

I agree. But for those with removed uterus, they've been prescribing progesterone to women for a long time now. Many take 2-component HRT with continuous combined, and that makes sense.

Before menopause I was taking Janine for bleeding. I felt so good with it. Then I stopped taking it myself and a year later the rollercoaster started. And at my age they don't take it anymore. I even regret that I should have kept taking it. And now here's the whole circus. I get shaky sometimes even from Oestrogel. And from Angeliq I also got shaky. Maybe I should just stop taking everything. 58 years old. Let the hormones just settle down already.

You see, here's another confirmation that pathological menopause comes precisely from female gynaecological problems, and it seems to me that without hormones it won't work here, since the problem is exactly with them, with their shortage. And if you stop, endometrial hyperplasias will start, curettages and so on. Because progesterone keeps everything in check. The only thing that bothers me is that they say you can only take hormones until about 60, and then what do you do? Switch to local hormonal creams or what, I haven't figured it out yet. So all questions need to be decided with a gynaecologist-endocrinologist, as regular gynaecologists aren't very knowledgeable about this. I've already seen proof of that.

I don't know. Everything was fine for three months. And then it all came back with renewed vigour. Either from the stress I've been through, or the dose was too small, I've increased it, waiting for the results!

Oh well, it's bearable. I increased the dose, two pumps. It seems more or less okay now. I also added an antidepressant, constant anxiety too. For now, everything's tolerable, but somehow it still doesn't feel right overall!

And I tried increasing the dose and got even more anxious and had strong hot flushes. Now I've reduced it instead. Just a tiny bit really. Might even stop taking it altogether, we'll see.

If you even stop your little bit of Estrogel, you'll have to go on antidepressants. You have late menopause, as I understand, meaning high dependence on hormones, since your periods lasted until 58, and you had surgery, i.e. surgical menopause. But of course, it's a dilemma, well try to stick with HRT at least until 60, then we'll see how things go from there.

And then you'll have to somehow adapt your body to minimal hormones. You can't take them until you're 80, after all. Moreover, HRT is simply contraindicated for many women, and these women somehow manage to live, and secondly, according to reviews from a large number of women, I repeat, a large number! HRT didn't suit them, causing other problems in the body, or they take HRT but the hormone intake doesn't even cover half the symptoms that arose in pathological menopause. HRT isn't a panacea, and with them everything is also veeery complicated.

And yes, I know for sure that in postmenopause, even deep postmenopause, topical vaginal creams with estriol can be used to prevent atrophy, kraurosis of the vagina, incontinence, and so on.

Girls, such weakness that I can barely drag my legs, my weight's piling on as if from thin air, it feels even heavier because of this, my brain isn't sending the signal that prompts action, to buzz about like before, just awful depression, I look and see - so much to do, but I just can't manage anything, my son doesn't believe it can be like this, you don't want to yourself, he says

I'll believe of course that hormones sometimes help, happy for those who can, I can't take them, that's why I don't talk about them, I've never even had tests done, because there's no point, to find out how many and what ones are still left

Blimey, what a son... saying that to his mother. But he doesn't understand anything, and he can't understand either. Look how many women aren't understood, what a pathological menopause can be like. Like, come on, you just have no willpower and other nonsense. Let alone children. But mine should try telling me that I'm to blame for my own condition, and that I just don't want to do anything myself. Outrageous. What's needed is support, and what's a mother? A worn-out horse that just needs to be put down or something, to keep pulling the family cart further. Yeah right, how lucky a woman must be with her family too. Otherwise they, you see, are used to seeing a hardworking mother doing a hundred things at once, and then she goes and gets ill. Well how can that be? I read so much about such relatives. And how husbands cast aside sick wives, and children distance themselves.

But where can you find one, a gynaecologist-endocrinologist, here I live in a city, there isn't one! Separate gynaecologist, separate endocrinologist, so what should I do? The regional centre is far away...

And what will they offer besides HRT? Treatment for pathological menopause is either HRT, or antidepressants, or HRT+antidepressants. They haven't come up with anything new yet. In 10 years I've been to all sorts of specialists, and what? If the medications don't suit your body as nicely and comfortably as the treatment theory assumes?

And my husband keeps telling me too, 'You need to go outside,' and it really winds me up, as if I'm not going out just to spite him. I say, 'You remember I used to go everywhere before, but now I'm in this state where I don't feel like doing anything,' and he comes back with 'It's because you're not breathing any air' 🤦♀️

Look for a clinic online. Call and arrange an online consultation. Many places do this now. And obviously with your test results ready.

Does anyone else feel nauseous from physical exertion? They always recommend walking more, just clocking up the kilometres. But even from prolonged walking, I get motion sick, then I start feeling nauseous and end up collapsing on the sofa with no energy. The same thing happens with cleaning. I barely manage to wash the floors in two rooms, and I feel sick, and then weakness sets in. Physical activity worsens my condition, not improves it in the slightest. What do you think this is, girls?

Unfortunately that's how it happens. And you know what's the saddest thing. When you see it and your condition gets even worse because of it. From resentment! My psychologist advised me, when this resentment comes over you, to say to yourself: I RELEASE THE RESENTMENT. I LET CALMNESS INTO MY MIND. Or when you're angry: I release the anger, etc. We must help ourselves.

You've upset us now - yes, in perimenopause both mental and physical states are absolute hell. That's why I'm thinking maybe it'll get at least a little bit easier later on.

Which AD are you taking? And for how long? Maybe it's not right for you?

So what's the point, they wrote that the treatment is one and the same, HRT, AD etc.... So in my case

In the city they can offer this, and why do I need online, someone will pocket a decent amount...

I'm taking Zoloft (Sertraline), a month now, I took the same before for 6 months, wasn't great either, I'm scared to switch to a full tablet, I feel bad enough as it is, what if I feel worse. I'm scared of them, I want to give up on all this. I've tried many others before, it got even worse, getting on them is tough.

When I increased the dose, it wasn't immediately good either, you need time, the body also needs to get used to the new dose. By the way, I also started with a drop, it didn't affect me at all, but a full press, yes, I felt the result, not immediately, somewhere around three weeks later.

It will, of course, get better. If only because the severity of symptoms will smooth out even if they don't disappear completely. And some things will drop off. Meaning you'll be able to keep them in check, you'll gain experience in overcoming various symptoms, and that's already something. But of course, you'll have to take something to support your body. Find your own set of medications, as mentioned above. And you'll be able to live on gradually

It feels like they're all the same. My husband didn't understand me either! Only someone who's been through it themselves can understand! Sometimes it's impossible to even explain what's going on inside you!

Здравствуйте!Вот и я сопротивлялась всем ужасам климакса,одни симптомы сменялись,другими.Сдалась два месяца принимаю ЗГТ Фемостон 1/10 и транквилизаторы.Черездва месяца полегчало.Но тревожное состояние до конца не прошло.

Всё так и было,как у вас.Я прям не мытая засыпала,не было сил.Волосы в резинке,т.к. на стрижке не высижу.Я ещё в общественных местах не могла,сразу накрывало,в маршрутках не могла ездить,запахи чувствовала везде.