Умер Майкл Джексон

Мне кажется ,что у МД детства после 20лет и до 50 лет (30 целых лет) было намного больше чем у нас....

У меня фоном играет Муз-тв, пока перевожу записи:), и я уже котроый раз обращаю внимание, что в смс-чате оооочень часто просят Джексона. Написать сподвигло сообщение "умоляю на коленях, ну поставьте Джексона!". Не ставят, ни в какую!

Что ж это такое, и для кого это тв... Вот Quinn показали, сечас древний клип Белинды Какрайсл показывают, не конъюнктурные ж вещи, не проплаченные... плакаль.

Гость 140 (5184-85) - вот это я имела ввиду когда говорила про *постер чайлд* в самом широком смысле, в плане отношения к работе, к деньгам, етс. Работай пока коньки не отдашь, не останавливайся пока *ю дон-т гет инаф* и т.д. Это с самого детства прививается (и социумом, и родителями= в данном случае, папашкой Джо). А потом это становится образом жизни, плюс и его внутренняя черта характера (такая как перфекционизм) только довершила это дело.

Тож страдаю этим гадким пефекционизмом, но научилась *забивать* на многое, так как перегорала пару раз. Моя жизнь в последние 1.5 месяца - это череда безумного перфекционизма (я за 2 недели могу сделать то что за 1 месяц делаю, у меня строгие дедлайны) и *забивание на все* (это подтверждается моим нахождением на форуме/ах).

Но мне сказали про правило 80/20, это мне помогает когда я думаю *не смогу сделать все в самом совершенном виде*.

Но подобие бессоницы, или вернее смена дня и ночи, я уже заработала (привет Майклу) - все от того что читаю тот блог Шарка. Сил нет читать новое - я *забиваю* на продолжение. Все самое главное я поняла - он был нормальным человеком и мужчиной во всех смыслах этого слова, но при такой бешеной карьере/жизни как у него трудно иметь *нормальный образ жизни* (вот это и эксплуатировали таблоиды).

и те фотографии с вещами со склада, который кто-то хотел отобрать у Майкла и его семьи *Джексонс 5* (та ссылка с фотобакета - Секретс5) шикарна, я скопивола себе половину тех фоток. Там *слезная корреспонденция* Джермейна :-) (иногда на довольно оффицяльном уровне), советы Майкла смотреть/ читать кинжки/фильмы про Свид. Иеговы (даже цитирует номер псалма какого-то!!!), дарит книжку племяннику (чтоб читал то что надо), советы по диете :-), его рукописи и многое другое - для меня это тоже маленькое подобие блога Шарка, так как дает представление о многом.

Там даже текст песни про *Маленькую Сузи* есть и т.д.

И я заметила, кстати, что тот блог Шарка, начиная с комментариев нр.1800 и выше, очень стал похож на эту ветку в самом ее начале и середине - когда все давали ссылки на фотографии, *голд пантс*, видео с редких концертов и т.д. Все уже идет по знакомому сценарию :-)

Девочки и женщины,а в России отношение к свидетелям иеговым неоднозначное,у нас они считаются сектой....

У нас,к сожалению,лучше покажут выпендреж на МТВ Зверева или опять повоют о груди Семенович,чем поставят МД .......

МУЖЧИНЫ ЛЮБЯТ ЖЕНЩИН ,КОТОРЫЕ НЕ ЛЮБЯТ ИХ.ОНИ ОХОТНИКИ!!!ПОСЛЕ 30 ЛЕТ ,КАК ЭТО НЕ ЦИНИЧНО ЗВУЧИТ,ПОНИМАЕШЬ,ЧТО ЛЮБВИ(ВЗАИМНОЙ,НЕРАЗДЕЛЕННАЯ НЕ В СЧЕТ)НЕ БЫВАЕТ,А ЕСТЬПРОСТО ГАММА ПЕРЕЖИВАНИЙ И ЗАЛИПАНИЕ ОДНОЙ ЭНЕРГЕТИКИ НА ДРУГУЮ...В ЛЮБОВЬ ДО НЕБЕС Я НЕ ВЕРЮ,ЕСЛИ ОН ЛЮБИТ-ОНА НЕТ И НАОБОРОТ....

Я очень волнуюсь за то, покажут ли его хотя бы в день рождения, ведь потом всё, раз сейчас тишина, то потом и вообще никто не вспомнит. Я даже заходила на сайт орт, узнать/написать о 29 августа, но там негде. Они вполне могли бы показать концерт в Бухаресте, ведь запись есть. Ведь я реально "заболела" 6-го июля, когда анонсировали мемориал, показали пару клипов. Достаточно было просто Посмотреть и Послушать. Там же есть форум, люди благодарят за тот показ, некоторые говорят, что открыли для себя М.Дж.

Муз-тв, надеюсь, что-то серьезное сделают, а МТВ - сомневаюсь, мож. передачку повторят какую-нибудь.

Я НЕ ХОЧУ ЧТОБЫ ФОРУМ ИССЯК.....КУДА ПРИТКНУТЬ ДУШУ?вЕРНЕЕ ЕЕ ОТВЕСТИ?..........................ВИДИМО СТРАНА СЕЙЧАС СПИТ......

на том блоге *МейкапШарк*, конечно, тонна хороших ссылок.

Вот одна интересная, на мой взгляд - это про обложку к альбому *Дэнжероус*. Я первуй раз вижу это.

Там первая ссылка довольно длинная (и я незнаю сколько пробелов там будет - это проблема этого форума),

поэтому напишу и вторую ссылку (ее надо поставить в окно Гугла).

1 link *Dangerous CD cover*:

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&​js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lacortedelreydelpop.com%2Fartede​tapa4.htm&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=m

2 link (for google translate):

http://www.lacortedelreydelpop.com/artedetapa4.htm

А вообще я переключилась на ЛМП историю. Все-таки дам пару ссылок, ежели кому интересно, так как она (как ни крути) один из тех людей кто знал Майкла на довольно близком уровне.

Конечно, в свои 26 лет (когда они поженились) она была другой, а теперь это точно *гром-баба*. Как скажет что-то, то точно рубит с плеча. Дама без комплексов.

Кто-то говорил что парочка песен с ее первого альбома - про Майкла, одна *С.О.Б*, вторая *где-то посередине* - сорри, пишу по памяти сейчас, компютер просто перегружен и не могу открыть тот файл.

Я дам ссылки на некоторые провокационные интервью (со Г. Стерном, например), но на том же форуме - на 2 странице есть хорошая подборка другой информации о них.

И вообще, такая красивая (плюс еще и дочь *самого Пресли*)дама была его женой, и после развода что-то не отходила от него пару лет - наверное хоть это должно было помочь его самолюбию :-))). Да и во всех интервью говорит что любила его... эх, грусновато.

Link to Stern interview:

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/howard-sterns-interview-lm​p-about-mj-197970/

link to other published stuff about them:

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/howard-sterns-interview-lm​p-about-mj-197970/index2.html

The full transcipt of the interview with D.Soyer:

http://lisamarie.at.infoseek.co.jp/lisa-DianeSawyer2003.htm

Just a good blog-compilation about them (MJ and LMP):

http://www.thechocolatechick.net/2009/08/update-lisa-marie-p​resley-is-having.html

and this is *dlia zatravki* :-))):

"That's a far cry from her days as Mrs. Michael Jackson.

"When Lisa Marie was married to Michael, he liked her to be as painfully thin as he was," said the family insider.

"If she started putting on weight, Michael would panic and tell her to lose it. Lisa Marie was so smitten with Michael that she listened to him.

"She watched what she ate and exercised regularly.

"She said recently that she's glad that nightmare's over and she can eat what she wants. If she gained a few pounds when Michael was around, it gave him the horrors."

Lisa Marie inherited her father's genes. "

"Howard took some phone calls for Lisa. One guy asked Lisa if Michael Jackson was as wacky as he seems to the rest of us since she was married to the guy. She said the answer should be pretty obvious and didn't really say much of anything else about the guy. She said that subject comes up whenever she puts out a new record and it makes it tough to promote the album. Howard asked her if the song ''Idiot'' on her album is about Michael Jackson. She said it's not about him but it is about someone she was with. Howard played some of the song and tried to figure out who the song was about but she wouldn't tell him who it was. Lisa said that they won't play that song on radio stations because they tested it and people thought it was ''too mean.''

etc.

Мне очень понравился комментарий на том блоге, что останется от ЛМП если у нее отнять ее фамилию и Грейсланд, ответ- мусор, *** да и только, she is kinda thrashy. Вот ее уровень - уровень этого самого Стерна, набить пузо, в страдания похотливой безмозглой самки не верю априори, прости господи...

Famous for being famous, если бы у нее была капля ума, но нет, она навсегда останется дочкой и бывшей женой, как бы она не пыжилась и не раскорячивалась

И не надо валить на маму, замужняя дама 26-28 years of age и мать двоих детей (на тот момент), should have known better.

Все надеюсь видели ее интервью с Дайан Сойер, интервью с Ларри Кингом в апреле 2005 во время судебных разбирательств. Дорога ложка к обеду, когда ее участие было нужнее всего она была предпоситала быть "бинайн". Уж лучше говорить о другой high class grouppie, как ее величают на том блоге, Ms. Diana Ross, она хоть талантлива и не эксплуатирует имя МД, а ЛМП , наверно, может уже второй Грейсланд купить на поступления от интервью о МД.

I don't give a damn about phases she was supposedly going through, 'cause when an innocent man is facing false accusations and 20 odd years imprisonment, and you know he is innocent, you don't just say you are benign, whatever that is supposed to mean. And you don't rub your hands with glee that it is happening now that you've distanced yourself from the man. Whatever she is saying now- sorry, not buying it, too late

Все, сказала, все что О ЛМП думаю:)) Больше не буду:-)), честное пионерское

About Dirty Diana Diana Ross He was infatuated with her, that was a well known fact, and that matches what he says he felt on the recording. He was asked to give her away at her wedding in '86 but not only did he refuse, he didn't even attend the wedding cuz he was heartbroken/jealous and felt betrayed, and that's what i think he's talking about with Glenda, that it took him YEARS to get over her.

In '87 he recorded "Dirty Diana" and the rumours at the time said it was about her, but he denied it. Of course he did, how could he admit it was about her. And why would he name such a "dirty" song after his "dear friend" out of all the names in the world? Because he was angry at her and u can feel all the different emotions in the song. The lyrics fit perfectly with the facts... Diana was a high-class groupie, she slept with a lot of people in the business,

i mean just the fact that she had Berry Gordy's child while she was married says a lot to me. And i couldn't believe my eyes when I saw ⌠Diana Ross Arsenio Interview √ THE KISS■ (search for it). The woman was married at the time! and she literally just met the dude backstage!

And Then comes the song "Who Is It" recorded in '90-'91 and again, the lyrics go perfectly with what he says on the phone:

I Gave Her Money

I Gave Her Time

I Gave Her Everything

Inside One Heart Could Find

I Gave Her Passion

My Very Soul

I Gave Her Promises

And Secrets So Untold

He said in some interviews that Diana Ross knew his deepest darkest secrets, so everything matches. And again matches with the "years, a HELL of a long time" to get over Diana. Everything just fits. And from the rest of the lyrics to this song we know what kind of relationship they had. And the 'DIANA" cards at 1:44 and then again at 3:50 in the ⌠Who is it■ video are an additional clue...

Ebony 1984 magazine interview excerpt:

******************************

Ebony: Any Black ladies in your life?

Michael: "Sure, but you wouldn't take me seriously."

Ebony: Try me.

Michael: "It's Diana Ross. I love her."

Ebony: Do you mean as a "big sister?"

Michael: "No, that's not what I mean. See, I told you that you wouldn't take me seriously."

Ebony: You're not saying you'd like to marry Diana Ross, are you?

Michael: "Oh yeah, I'm saying that."

Ebony: But she's so much older than you. You mean you feel something other than close friendship for her?

Michael: "Uh huh. And what does age have to do with it? Look at it this way: how old would you be if you didn't even know how old you are.

ну да, про Д. Росс - я полностью согласна, чотала все ве 2333 комментария с того блога - половина про нее. Я-то понимаю что он ее любил, а она - просто *размазала* его по столу, когда вышла замуж (а он даже на свадьбу не явился, с горя). Поэтому у меня неоднозначные чувства к ней - с одной стороны *ТА ВЕЛИКАЯ ЛЮбОВь*, а с другой - *игра с ее стороны*. Хотя, на том *рок & ролл* индикмент в марте 2001 он поблагодарил Д. Росс = как свою приемную маму (пс. А что ему оставалось сказать?).

но я нашла то самое интервью 2003 года, которое все цитирую

one the best MJ quotes (I've posted this one here before), which I'll try to follow:

"Michael: "Uh huh. And what does age have to do with it? Look at it this way: how old would you be if you didn't even know how old you are."

Понимаю про ЛМП, но я нашла то самое интервью 2003 года (из Р.Стоун), которое все цитируют на многих форумах, но не могла скопировать его (копирайт). Наконец нашла.

Потом есть и ее интервью в Плейбое (???) за 2006 год - тож не могу найти пока.

Что я поняла - она осталась очень-очень обижена на него, очень. Она там что-то говорила про *манипюлейтив сайд* и прочее, думаю что-то в этом есть.

Я ей все-таки верю больше чем другим (ей не нужны деньги за проданные истории), она может недоговаривать (это да, оставаться нейстральной, но не будет *продавать его*).

http://lisamarie.at.infoseek.co.jp/lisa-RollingStoneCoverSto​ry2003.htm

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_lisamarie_rollings​tone.shtml

Lisa Marie Presley

from "Rolling Stone" (Apr.10, 2003)

""I know," she says. "If you lined up all the men I've been with in a row, you'd think that I was completely psychotic."

Presley knows that the world has never thought about her in quite the same way since her second marriage, her 1994 union with Michael Jackson. She is infuriated by this and by the notion that she wanted anything else out of it other than those things most people hope for in a marriage. "All I did get out of it was a shit storm," she says. "And I got out of it. Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma."

"He was very real with me off the bat. He immediately went into this whole explanation of what he knew people thought of him and what the truth was."

Which was persuasive?

"Yeah. You get sucked into the 'you poor, misunderstood person, you.' I'm a sucker for that. Then we sat down to talk, and he was so not what I thought he was. He was very real -- he was cursing, he was funny, and I was like, 'Wow. . . .' I fell into that 'You have this whole Howard Hughes thing that goes on in the press, and you're not anything like that.' "

But why wouldn't he want people to know that?

"I don't know. I think it worked for him to manipulate that image for a little while. The hyperbaric chamber thing and all that monkey shit and the elephant shit. It made him mysterious, and I think he thought that was cool. But then it backfired, like it always does.

"I was always saying, 'People wouldn't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are: that you sit around and you drink and you curse and you're fucking funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don't have that high voice all the time. I don't know why you think that works for you, because it doesn't anymore.' "

"After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. "That whole shit hit the fan," Presley recalls, "and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing." She frowns wryly. "I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . " She smiles. "He didn't get where he is because he's an idiot. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting." Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. "I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing," she says. "I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together." She pauses. "OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world."

At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. "He called me a lot," she says. "Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started.

When you say "courting," do you mean as between any boy and girl?

"Yeah. Flowers. Calls. Candies. You name it . . . everything started coming."

"But, to be clear, is it fair to say that in private you were doing all the things that married people do: kissing, going to bed together, having sex?

"Yeah. That was part of it, for a while. And then it became the Def Con 2. It just got really ugly at the end."

Before that, when it was good, was it your understanding that that was what he wanted?

A pause. "I don't know what he wanted anymore. I know that it looks very timely for him, in retrospect -- the record was coming out, that other shit was happening, and I was too caught up in . . . " She stops, and recasts the thought. "I can tell you my intentions; I can't tell you what his were."

News of their union leaked out slowly -- of a marriage in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, first denied, then confirmed. Their first surreal public appearance was opening the 1994 MTV Video Music Awards, during which -- as they stood center stage -- Jackson kissed her fully on the lips.

"That was not my idea, by the way," she says. "I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine."

It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.

"Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened."

Even stranger and more astonishing was the interview the married couple gave to Diane Sawyer in 1995, in which Presley steadfastly defended her husband, the genuineness of their relationship and his character.

"I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it," she says. "I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's."

"And you made a huge defense in the Diane Sawyer interview of how you watched him with kids and how it was all totally innocent. Is that what you think on reflection?

"The only thing I can say is that I didn't see anything that would ever allude to that ever. Otherwise I would have been the first one out there going, 'You motherfucker.' I've got children. But I never saw anything like that. I meant what I said when I said it, because I didn't see anything weird or bizarre like that ever. And I did notice that he had an amazing connection to kids, whether it be a small baby or a two-year-old girl or a four-year-old -- children really responded to him."

Back then did you ever worry or even think whether there could be any truth in what he was accused of?

"Did I ever worry? Of course I fucking worried. Yeah. I did. But I could only come up with what he told me. The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid, so how the hell was I going to know? I could only go off what he told me."

And what do you think now?

"I don't know. I still don't know. I wasn't there. I never saw anything else that could possibly lead to that. And there's two sides of it. There's the side of the dad. Why would the dad take the fucking money? If I had a kid and he was molested, I would fucking take that guy and hang him by his balls off a tree and let him sit there and die like that. Nobody could buy me, ever, if my child were molested. Fuck that. I don't care if I didn't have a penny -- I would take his ass down in front of everybody."

She says, by way of recap, this: "I understand it did affect people's perception of me. That's fine; I understand why. But I did fall in love with him. I can't say what his intentions were, but I can tell you mine was that I absolutely fell in love with him and fell into this whole thing."

"Do you rule out that he fell in love with you?

"As much as he can, possibly. I don't know how much he can access love, really. I think as much as he can love somebody he might have loved me. It was always like a mind that was constantly working. It was a scary thing -- somebody who's constantly at work, calculating, calculating, manipulating. And he scared me like that."

...........

It wasn't too long after the Diane Sawyer interview that things started going wrong. "We were really on shaky ground," she says. "There would be periods of time where I had no idea where he was -- only by the press. He would just disappear." The final media spectacle documenting their union's disintegration was the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards. She was in the audience; he was singing a medley of his greatest moments onstage.

"I was glaring at him," she says. "That was a pretty infamous moment."

Why were you glaring at him?

"Because I hadn't seen him, or heard from him, in six weeks. He got upset and he would just disappear." She says that after about a month without any contact, his people started calling, saying that it was important that she show up at the MTV Video Music Awards. She agreed to show up if she didn't have to go down the red carpet; they consented, then led her down it anyway. "I was pissed. I just felt like I was being used at that point." She was then told that he was going to sing to her and that he had a surprise for her. "I remember my whole look was: 'Don't you come anywhere fucking near me -- we haven't spoken in a month.' And he got it. He didn't come over. I talked to him later and he said, 'I saw the look on your face, and I knew that if I walked up to you, I didn't know what you were going to do me.' " (Weirdly, this performance -- glare and all -- would later be included on Michael Jackson's video collection History on Film.)

How did it come to a head?

"I'd had enough. That's all."

You pulled the plug?

"Yes. I told him I wanted a divorce. Then he didn't talk to me for a couple of weeks."

In the period following her split from Jackson, her health collapsed: "My body started to deteriorate. I started to have panic attacks. I went through two years of baffling every doctor from East to West Coast. One week it was asthma . . . hypoglycemia . . . candida . . . reflux . . . I had everything. My gall bladder just fucking stopped working, and I had to get it taken out. This was when the tabloids said I tried to kill myself or something like that. We settled out of court. But anyway, I wound up in the hospital. I had everything happening; my body completely fell apart. And nobody knew what the hell was wrong with me." She was allergic to everything. "I had to eat chicken and broccoli for a year," she remembers. "I was absolutely falling apart, physically and emotionally, for a two-year period." At times she thought of death. "It was the constant physical breakdowns that were going on that I didn't understand."

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Like everybody else, she saw Martin Bashir's interview with Michael Jackson. "I watched it and cringed," she says. "I had the same reaction everybody else had -- it was like watching a train wreck. It seemed like it was overly cruel -- the guy [Bashir] had his agenda and was after him. I don't make a habit of feeling bad for that guy [Jackson], because he kind of likes to push that sympathy button sometimes, and I don't really go for it anymore, but that time I did. I was, 'Oh, no, you really just got screwed.' It honestly looked to me like, it would be like somebody walking into a convalescent home and just antagonizing someone and having it on film the whole time."

WORTH READING :-)))))))))))))))))))

я просто сама страшно удивилась, когда увидела ее фотографии на том сайте *МЖЖ пикчерз* с той ВМА церемонии. Она там дышит гневом, в буквальном смысле :-).

Я даже подумала тогда - *ну какая же дура. Сидит в первом ряду, Майкл поет ей песенки, а ей чего-то мало*. Оказывается, 6 недель недотр..а сказались. Сорри, я просто не удержалась!

Посмотрите те линки, по крайней мере, эта женщина была его реальной женой и, я думаю, она тоже проясняет *картину*. Она, кстати, сама там говорит что, от силы, есть человек 5-6 кто знает настоящего Майкла, а не его *персону*.

Я поставлю и линки на слова к песням, которые намекают прямым текстом на Майкла. Есть и еще одна *Диссипл* (ученик в переводе по английски) - там вроде про его нехорошее окружение.

⌠Nobody Noticed It■ slams the hangers-on and handlers who won▓t let her father lie, ⌠Disciple■ does much the same for Jackson▓s entourage, and the ballad ⌠Gone■ may or may not be raking Cage over the coals.

S.O.B.

http://www.elyrics.net/read/l/lisa-marie-presley-lyrics/s.O.​B.-lyrics.html

"i lost my trust in you

you were dangerous and scary

and you poisoned me with the fruits everyone was intrigued by

and i finally got buried."

The Road Between

http://www.elyrics.net/read/l/lisa-marie-presley-lyrics/the-​road-between-lyrics.html

"Out on the road between nowhere and hell

I caught a glimpse of my reflection in you

But they can't believe I still want you around.

Hung on the line between addiction and this

I can't believe you said I hurt you again."

"Nobody Noticed It" slams the hangers-on and handlers who won't let her father lie,

"Disciple" does much the same for Jackson's entourage,

and the ballad "Gone" may or may not be raking Cage over the coals.

So, I CAN'T FIND this "Disciple" lyrics.... why?!!!

I found only this paragraph (in an article):

"Everyone around you, they're sick, they're on medication or they will

Finally lose their minds

But they will always defend you and justify your insanity like I did

Because you make them blind."

ну так манипулятор или жертва? давайте определяться :)

вы столько всего написали - чувствую, что я больше не в теме :) читаю вас на скорую руку, но самой по ссылкам ходить пока времени нет. ничего, потом наверстаю...

и все таки в восточную принцессу что-то не верится...

да, кстати "Bal a Versailles" by Jean Desprez покупать не надо. не могу поверить что Джексон пах как 60-летняя дама. А Black Orchid ничего, так что я скорее поверю Латойе, чем его стилистке. может это ее любимый запах, а она клевещет на Майкла.

5227, I'll take this quote: "It was always like a mind that was constantly working. It was a scary thing -- somebody who's constantly at work, calculating, calculating," - without the very last word.

By the way, he told Glenda (on the phone) the same things about his mind always running!...

In a way he was both - the manipulator (of the mass-media) at the very beginning, which worked for him, And the prey (when everything backfired on him).

I think I know why she keeps saying about the *manipulation* thing regarding her - she heard A LOT of negative things from her friends (who told her *Don't marry him*, *His using you for PR* etc.) and she did not believe them. After his unwillingness to *work on the marriage* (when he basically ran away from her for WEEKS, lol) she probably felt the same way - like she was blind previously... He did to her the same thing he did to others - he put her in the *outside circle*. That's just plain sad. That's my take on things after reading a lot of stuff...

By the way, how many persons would do the same thing that she did? After seeing the covers of magazines (1993-94) I really think that only few famous persons in America would *risk their reputation* this way. It's sad to say this but this is how things were (and still are). And she DEFENDED him a lot during those TV interviews - in the public's eyes he was already *a convicted person*, even without having commiting a crime.

Я вроде соглашусь с гостем 404 (помните такого? Она пошутила что *какая жена потерпит шерсть обезьяны в ванной*, поэтому я запомнила тот ответ), который сказал где-то в середине этой ветки что Майкл был не совсем приспособлен для семейной жизни. То есть у него были планы и цели намного большие чем счастье обыкновенного *семейного очага*. И всегда был этот конфликт - что важнее, его творчество (туда следует влючать и туры, и долгие отсутствия етс.) или семья.

*Туры* (и не только), как мы недавно узнали сопровождались большими жертвами с его стороны в плане здоровья. Лизе такие *детали* не могли нравиться, она боролась сколько могла, но ничего не могла поделать - ведь это его образ жизни, который нужен для той самой карьеры. Это замкнутый круг, на самом деле.

И я думаю она его любила очень сильно, раз и после развода *ходила за ним хвостиком*, вместе со своими детьми, по всему миру.

И она еще гововит в одном интервью интересную вещь - что она была еще *почти замужем* когда начала видеть Майкла. Конечно, она говорит о бизнесс-встрече, потом о долгих телефонных разговорах (когда она начинает узнавать настоящего Майкла = ничего не напоминает? хинт: Гленда), потом она ему говорит о своих проблемах в браке, Майкл ее торопит разводиться и очень быстро все остальное проис-ходит :-). Только влюбленная женщина может пойти на риск - не попытаться сохранить тот первый брак (имея двух детей), а быстро согласиться на другой.

Я не буду спорить и с другим - такой брак с МЕГАЗВЕЗДОЙ очень льстил ее самолюбию. Ну как же, мама была замужем за *Королем рок&ролла*, а дочь - стала женой *Короля Поп музыки*. Конечно, этот союз вывел ее на новый уровень - не просто *богатая избалованная дочка*, а жена ТОГО САМОГО!!!

И помните какой она была испуганной на той церемонии МТВ (такие выражения лица просто нельзя сыграть на публику) - она не любила ту *чремерную известность*, даже своим детям не дала фамилию *Пресли*.

Гость 140 ...693!А вы не задумывались над тем,обливая Лизу Пресли грязью,как в прочем и еще некоторые здесь,что вы тем самым опускаете непроизвольно М.Джексона...Это был его выбор,просто так в жены не зоввут!!!!-это не в кафе сходить.Он женился не на девочке припевочке-на дочери Элвиса,а в Америке Элвиса боготворят и будут вечно его любить.Я тоже раньше и не знала ,что у Элвиса есть дочь...Да,Л Пресли не ангел,их нет на свете,но она знала его С ДЕТСТВА и знала его реального...Да она резка,мне кажется она была просто им очарована как личностью,а когда осознала что нет любви с его стороны обозлились.... Но все равно надо уважать ЕГО выбор.

Я помню давно ,когда МД только перевалило за 25(примерно)лет ,к нему в дом приехала пожить ДЖанет и ругала его толи журила-типа носки он не меняет...Не хочу дальше распространяться...Да любого парня можно в этом уличить.Только Боря Моисеев и будет вычищен и вылизан и не знает как еще вывернуться что бы благоухать.....

Навозная муха ,ты где? Отзовиь !Без тебя пресно и скучно....

Мне кажется Лиза Песли с МД все равно бы не ужились...Оба Очень самолюбивы в чем-то...Мне кажется они оба использовали друг друга в хорошем смысле слова:она для него как щит-Я ТЕПЕРЬ СЕМЬЯНИН,а он поведал о ней всему миру,вывелна новую орбиту....Я о ней раньше вообще не знала,например....

Если кто сомневается что такое общественное мнение в Америке (говорю это в контексте того что сделала ЛМП в 1994 году), то посмотрите что творится в июле 2009 года.

Что говорят конгрессмены, потом сами ведущие - у всех разное мнение... (ссылка из Ютюба будет)

Молодец Вуппи Голдберг! А также хороши сами комментарии к этому ролику - про *инносент антил прувен гилти* - где-то потерялось в сознании людей...

""The View": Talks about Michael Jackson's Death, Whoopi Defends"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxNGQEY1heM&feature=relat​ed

"dusnt this prove the old saying "innocent until proven guilty" is dying in america?the man was aquited & theres still ppl sayin he did it. what a crock of shit. i would hav let my daughter stay with him alone anytime.i think he wouldv been the worlds greatest babysitter! i think as adults we tend to forget what being a kid is all about and michael never forgot. he had to be an adult very quickly,before he was even allowed to be a child, thats very unique, would that not create a unique person? "

Double LOL at this: "i think he wouldv been the worlds greatest babysitter!", and I would add "of all times"! LOL

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http://golos.in.ua/fun/2008/03/11/020029.html